The 2020 Giant Reign rolls on 29er wheels and is rowdier than ever
Ensuring the 80Nm of power is turned in to forward motion are a pair of Maxxis tires, on 27. You can go out of this world with the power, but the brake pads will not move and you will get draggy brakes. Both the front and rear triangle on the Advanced Pro models are made from carbon fiber, as is the upper linkage. I understand that in terms of brakes, a low leverage ratio favors fast pad travel over power. Its innovative technologies include a d-fuse carbon seat post and handlebar. Provide the brakes anything you want and the funding and i will put together a test bench for the brakes. Plus the variant seatpost reduces overall weight and increases the aerodynamics to ensure you have the total race bike. Hi all, Any one seen any info regarding Giant's 2020 range? The long reach aside, the Reign hasn't lost any of its ability to devour bumps and plow through natural hallways filled with roots and rocks. I've heard plenty about pivot hardware walking out and bearing issues and seen one giant an old model anthem, no less in the last two years come in missing hardware. On the third round of replacing the bearings though 10 of i decided my next bike would be a single pivot. We might even be able to do the 'spec rotor and pad' thing if you're interested besides the factory things. You get 140mm of smooth, active rear travel that gives you the traction and control you need to be one with the trail. The ridecontrol one integrated handlebar support buttons offer ergonomic control, and the energypak 500wh battery system lets you extend the ride. Keep in mind that product managers need to make sure that component makers supply them with enough product to get all their bikes out the door. The syncdrive sport motor delivers 350 percent tuneable support ratios through the Giant e-bike app. The average torque data I provided was from a review with a hope dyno with a constant 40nm force at the bar, and was done to a decent extent if you believe the review. Like the previous Reign, the 2020 version features the Maestro suspension design in conjunction with a Trunnion mount. I gave you what I said was the best consumer available test, as nobody else has a test with a bench like that. I'm happy to do it if a news outlet provides the funding, just take care of it. The 'average force' or the total energy input into the system will be the same. Get a better wheelset and sell the old one, it will cost you about the same and give you a better product overall. Alu Reign ´15: Only thing ever happened was a bent Bash guard, tabs stayed strong for the whole 4 years. Leverage ratio, can't beat physics. But at first pull the heat dissipation is not needed where the system is cold. That's paired up with a 160mm fork up front, which gives the bike a 65-degree head angle. The wheel diameter varies based on bike size, with 26-inch wheels on smaller frames and 27. As expected, the zero build is lightweight making it dialed for both climbing and descending. Like most great rides, mine started with a climb. I couldn't really buy this Reign frame because 455 is too short and 493 is super long. Already reading complaints about the new rear carbon triangle flexing and causing break rub issues. Saints are more inconsistent on long runs then codes. There are just too many great bikes in this range already. Looking forward to the new bike! Giant has a size chart on their website as well to make more sense of things. It's simple physics and logic. If I'm going to spend £2k on a frame it's going to be the right size for me. This is a direct correlation to average average! Here the Maestro suspension platform really came alive, soaking up trail chatter without feeling overly soft and mushy through the turns. Perhaps the most obvious change with any new bike generation is the finish on the frame, and Giant appears to have outdone themselves this time. Here's a couple of Pics I took of it: Talked to someone from corporate today who was able to provide a bit more info. The tarrifs 100% are real and they suck. You have a certain force available from your finger. It's easy to see how the Reign would make a good enduro race bike — despite its length it doesn't feel sluggish once it's up to speed, and it'll reward an aggressive rider who can push it at a higher pace. The force and stroke give you a finite amount of energy available to be input into the system. This is the time of year that leaked photos of 2020 bikes show up. Folk read in to the geometry to much, it seems like it has become the deciding factor to whether you going to have fun riding your bike or not. Sure, the sample size is important here, but still, patterns can emerge. Its a awful suspension design with that solid rear triangle, needs to be freed up to be more active. Naturally, there would be more issues out there to speak of. So props to Yeti for not selling out. It fits a hell of a lot of riders. So you're saying i can't google because i used data from an article that you also use data from. This is a change from the previous generation, and Giant is actually using the same carbon linkage on all Reign models, including the aluminum one. It's not there just for looks. My first descent on the Reign Advanced Pro was on the , a steep, natural, and technical shard of singletrack that plunges over rock rolls and loamy root webs. Neither have given me any trouble. Way to much time in the ready position on parts of the trail. Just a helpful little hint of how to, you know, use google. Still got 10 bearings to look after though, and they dont look any bigger. When they start adding external rubber covers on them. When riding this bike i definitely wouldnt be worrying about the large being 19mm to long or the Medium 19mm to short! This will be my last post in this thread as i've tried to explain simple physics principles and used too many analogies and examples to still be called an idiot that can't Google while trying to explain high school pyhsics to someone who either likes to say to me how wrong i am and make me fight windmills hope you understand this reference or really can't grasp the physics and prefers the words of marketers who are well known to omit facts and bend the truth to make a product look better. Engineered with an advanced-grade carbon frame featuring disc-brake integration front and rear, its a versatile race machine for all types of road condition. High-performance grade raw carbon material is used to produce this custom frame material in our own composite factory with a high stiffness-to-weight ratio. The advanced-grade carbon composite frame is also integrated for disc brakes, with flat-mount disc brake tabs and 12mm front and rear thru-axles, plus clearance for high-volume tyres up to 35c. The frame is integrated for disc brakes and has clearance for larger tires up to 45c so you can float through the rough stuff. Now, with a given output force at the caliper, this means the pistons and the brake lever mechanical advantage stroke at finger vs. You'd have to be a freak to fit this bike. Obviously shocks for years were imperial with metric conversions, yet travel is usually given in mm. It's in essence a regressive swing link vs. The size M Machine is recommended for 170-180 cm riders. August 30, 2019 at 9:44 pm Usually I shop for some increased value, often buying a great superseded bike. Lower-end bikes always have better margins than top-tier models. I'm not going to buy a set of R levers, but i have been thinking about getting someone to lend me a set of Rs. The three smallest frame sizes offer a 75mm drop, while the three largest offer a reduced 70mm drop. Frame geometry is designed around its 27. But you don't need to know the size, just order the correct part number kit. If I'm just looking at the frames, between the bb and the top of the headset. These bikes will sell out quickly, so place your order now and we will have you riding your new 2020 ride in two to three weeks. The system rider plus bike will require a set amount of energy to be input into the system to bring it to a halt. The front triangle of these framesets is assembled and molded as one continuous piece in a proprietary manufacturing process called Modified Monocoque Construction. If that is the case, we will see a lot more shimano stuff on next year's bikes. I've used almost every brake out there except the newer magura brakes. Seated fit is very important since it's the position where the majority of time will be spent. Not so much for a medium and a large frame because you fall into the 90 % segment of well fitted bikes , but more so at the extremes of the sizes which is a personal pain of mine, so i know the area quite well. That bike did not play it safe with sizing at all. As for modulation, modulation is the amount of lever movement since humans can move finger for a given amount quite well, but can't specify the force of the finger really well and the change in force that movement causes. I guess I'd have to get the 493 reach and fit a super short stem. Plus, the new ridecontrol one centre gives you navigation, health and fitness tracking capabilities via the ride control app. Not the reps, not the warranty department, the engineers in Colorado actually doing the design. The results you provided might be interesting, but there is nowhere near enough data to do any conclusions on it, apart from using them to further you general your own point we both did that, first me by using your stopping time distance and now you by providing the 'average torque' values as well. And you can't sell the old parts. Giant's Maestro suspension design is in place, which uses two co-rotating links to attach the swingarm to the shock. I would however say the Codes have a slightly larger piston to move more fluid so you get the same piston movement. Guides are supposedly running 13 and 14 mm pistons. When there's only four sizes, the average height rider should be between the two middle sizes. We have done a fair share of interpretation on missing data as well. The Float X2 and Fox 36 combo is a formidable suspension package, and while 146mm isn't the most common amount of travel, I never had any harsh bottom outs or moments where I felt like I wanted a few millimeters more squish. I'm certain I could ride the small, medium or large and still have a good time. Such post flex is a lovely feature, and it goes a long way to masking what would otherwise be a stiff-riding frame. An average torque number will, for a given rider, bike, wheel size, etc. Severely outdated and inferior suspension design. The ranges just about overlap. In fact, even the aluminum model has big rotors front and rear. I wonder which upmarket brand will finally introduce massive, properly sealed tapered roller bearings that simply outperform those puny ball bearings in every aspect - with real lifetime warranty. I just bought the 2020 Reign 2 29. Their kinked seat tubes should be called out here. Top tube length also plays into the equation, but reach is a good place to start when it comes to modern bike sizing. I'd provide the funding myself, but i'm sadly not insanely rich. Isn't it logical then for the swing link to provide more power? With a direct link the change in force for a small movement will be large. I feel like 29ers are a new fad that everyone is on like everyone eats chipotle, that means I should eat chipotle as well, because its the cool thing to do. The result is agile and efficient climbing plus added control for trails ranging from chunky singletrack to flowy high-speed descents. I pedaled up the steep fire road leading from the base of Whistler Blackcomb and was immediately impressed with the firm climbing platform offered by the Maestro Suspension design. The more you move the brake pads, the less force you will have for the set amount of energy. Who brakes while pedaling hard in an easy gear? I often wonder if that was true and they were right. But yeah, I think that a sweet spot for reach that all brands should include in their lineup is 470mm. That's why it both increases modulation and the power. The frame is optimised for a 100mm suspension fork giving you efficiency on the climbs and total control on the descents. The only way I can get the size Large bike to work for me with the weight split taken into account is to put a 60mm stem on it. Now, imagine how that affects the bike manufacturers. If you can point the family sedan at it, then an all-road bike can go there too. A bike of two companies The specific model options vary depending on where you are in the world. If your height fits into that interval you can either be old school with an M or cutting-edge modern with an L. Everything will be recorded in real time and analysed so we can determine the 'time to stop' on an equal footing. A tubeless Giant WheelSystem and tires boost speed and efficiency with a reduced risk of flats. Call it gut feeling or something else. Aspects that the mechanic won't even be able to grasp, yet is telling the engineer that he has no clue about? The first iteration had a shorter stroke shock, and slightly less travel, but that didn't end up giving them the ride feel they were looking for. Besides the spec rotor and the pad you would also have to test it using the factory provided pads in all types available by the original manufacturer and rotors in a single size only to check for that as well. That means Codes have ~33 % more surface area. But who knows when that will happen and for me buying Rs, i mentioned i'm not doing it since i'll happily run my more powerful swing-link brakes. This tailors the bikes handling to a riders height. Still, I had no problem setting a quick pace up the mountain, and the only riders who passed me were those riding electric mountain bikes. You have a bad leverage ratio at start, giving you almost no force, but lots of piston movement because no force is needed at all. Which part is a load of crap again? It also makes it easier for riders of all sizes to have a perfect fit. Good clearance here for plus or minus 2. Other manufacturers of 29ers have 160mm and greater! Where the internally-routed rear brake hose enters the frame, Giant supplies a simple slip of rubber to create a seal and prevent the hose from rattling. I believe Giants numbering system means that a lower number is the higher end bike, so a E2 is better than E3 etc But it's early, and back when I bought my bike there was precious little info out on it either. So seat tube angle, effective top tube length and the resulting reach values are important as well. To soak up every bump, from big rocks to small undulations, we gave it a trunnion mount shock and an advanced forged carbon composite upper rocker arm. Again, thinking stuff, emotional observations, made with a lack of data. And given how much variation there is in regards to effective torque vs. I'd happily measure them myself. With 140mm of rear travel and 150mm up front , it has the new Advanced Forged Carbon Composite upper rocker arm for increased stiffness and strength plus lower overall frame weight. All three builds also include Maxxis Minion tires, with a 2. Enjoy E-bike riding just the way you want—ride with full power or tune it less aggressively. The new Stance 29er gets you in sync with the terrain, so you can ride with confidence and have more fun. At this point I think most of us assume current Maestro design and long travel 29er just aren't playing well together? Reach on its own means nothing. Each build features 200mm+ disc brake rotors front and rear, for improved stopping power regardless of which set of brakes the bike is running. So in essence, X braking force, X power. I have clearly written out why i think it is so and everything is very clear and easily explainable to anyone with basic knowledge of physics. That's one and a half thumb widths and were talking about a mountain bike, not a trekking bike that has you sitting in one place for weeks straight. In terms of SwingLink, the main purpose is to get a precise, modulated bite point while speeding up the initial piston travel - to get more space between the pads and the rotor. With the industry moving towards more pad clearance to give you quiet brakes even with bent rotors, that is not much of an option. Secondly, the comfortable seatpost, plus the wide grippy tubeless tyres mean it just motors over stuff that would have you and more traditional road bikes wincing. Forbidden Bike co are one of the few who seem to have it worked out. We will see how it works for me at a later date. Ask the guys who have designed the brakes then. To me the lines evoke sort of the bird-like shape of the Giant logo, making the bike recognizable at a distance even without the fancy paint job. The braking force and the starting energy 'speed of the rider' if you will will be measurably constant, so only the performance of the brakes will be at play here. Since I'm not yet an experienced rider, the brakes and wheels are more than enough for me, even the geometry. There's a stubby little seat mast that extends above the top tube with a two bolt seatpost clamp. Giant tested three versions of the Reign 29 during the development process. It all adds up to a fun day out on the trails. Not saying that that is the case with you, but i'm kind of getting that feeling, sorry. The Giant Reign has been in existence for 15 years, evolving every few seasons to keep up with mountain biking's ongoing evolution. The guide T jack shit for special technologies , 10. Giant also includes PedalPlus 6-sensor technology, RideControl One display and 500Wh Giant EnergyPak battery. New Giant 2020 Bikes Available for ordering Shopping for a new gravel or cross bike? Switching over to the flowy trails in the bike park, the Reign Advanced Pro felt poppy and spry. The front triangle of the frameset is assembled and molded as one continuous piece in a proprietary manufacturing process called Modified Monocoque Construction. A source for example with some more data would be nice. I'll get back to that sizing jump in a bit, but it does mean that some riders could find themselves scratching their heads when trying to figure out what size to go with. I've had zero issues with any of the new stuff, and I never had issues with my 08 reignX which had no bearings replaced for the better part of a decade except for one bearing getting a bit of a crunchy squeak to it. I used every mil of the old reign's travel. And the lower models are even heavier. I find that almost all modern components work extremely well. Legendary compact road race geometry blends quick, precise handling with aggressive positioning, and the overdrive 2 front end delivers razor-sharp steering performance. The oversized and tapered overdrive 2 steerer tube boosts cornering precision, while the megadrive downtube and powercore bottom bracket deliver precise handling and class-leading pedalling efficiency. Any site that carries the rebuild kit will have the correct measurement. Surely this only rates a TranceX moniker at best? Stack is just as important as is your arm length. And increased power is mentioned sometimes as well. The only online example of it I can fine is from an independant bike store: One other thing I noticed is that it seems to be using the older 'Charge' display instead of the 'Evo. But is that extra 1mm of travel supposed to make us feel like the bike is more capable than a Sentinel or Smash, etc. As for more volume and the like, yeah, it's true, the Codes have more volume, better heat dissipation, etc. Geometry details can be found below. Giant's made the most bikes in the world for quite some time. Yes I can ride the medium but it is the same as what I've got now and my bike is too small. I am a very, too experienced rider. If I had shorter arms the M would be great. As one of the most hotly-anticipated bikes of the year, the brand new 2020 Giant Reign 29 arrives on the scene as the longest travel 29er that Giant has ever built. Average braking torque over a given time period gives you the energy the brake produced while braking. When the pads contact, you change the leverage ratio to small movement and high force. Integrated disc brakes with flat mounts and thru-axles give you added control, and a tubeless ready Giant wheel set makes it easy to enjoy the advantages of tubeless tyres including a smoother ride quality, less rolling resistance, and a reduced risk of flats. Very similar Geo as the M Reign but it is too small for me. The frame geometry is optimised for 29-inch wheels, giving you stability on tricky descents and greater traction and speed on all types of terrain. Giant provides its own 32c Fondo wire bead tyres, and they offer a surprisingly tacky tread. The bike wasn't a super inefficient at pedaling but it had a quick little tug in every pedal stroke that made it annoying. Powerful disc brakes deliver confident handling in all types of weather, and integrated mounts make it easy to add racks or fenders to suit your riding adventures. Giant e-bike app gives you navigation, health and fitness functions. But the finger is the one constant here, you have X amount of throw and Y amount of force, basically Z amount of energy available for braking. A reduction in rear travel from 160mm to 146mm - I'm out. But the worst part about the bike was the rear suspension. I just wish more companies would offer real mountain bikes for those of us who know how to ride them them. It was designed to meet the needs of the Giant Factory Off-Road team's Enduro World Series racers, or anyone whose trail preference trends towards the gnarlier side of things. The gap between M and L is twice the gap between S and M. Up front, it features a 130mm travel suspension fork, and the overall geometry has been tuned and developed to maximise its performance on rugged trails. Unfortunately, between the confounding factors and the lack of extra consumer information, you won't be able to tell if that's statistically significant, or if the swinglink actually makes a difference in applied torque. The aluminum model gets a chrome-looking finish while another model gets a sparkly black outer space look. And is clearly shown in the incomplete data you have provided. With cars you have the addition of the brake booster muddying things. Pneumatics actuated brake lever with a force sensor on it to ensure constant 'finger force' on all tested brakes, an adequate, stiff frame to mount the lever, rotor and caliper to to not invalidate the results this way , a representative inertial load to stop and an adequate torque cell measuring the torque output of the system. The thru-axle levers require a surprising amount of hand force to prevent brake rub. Even when you explain it to them. Given most owners of a bike like this will take on a more upright riding position, I suspect the saddle may be the first thing many will replace. What you can do is, instead of a constant force through the travel for a given energy input, vary the force through the stroke. Those wheels are built solid and heavy at 2,050g for the pair , too, with cartridge bearing hubs, 28 spokes and 17. And for added control, it features integrated disc brakes with flat-mount disc brake tabs and 12mm thru-axles. Friction is supposedly given the simple physics equations dependant only on the coefficient of friction and the perpendicular force, not the surface area. And that last part is the key here. The result is agile and efficient climbing capabilities plus added control for high-speed descents. Talk about going back on saying something before hand aiming at your comments that you have tons of Sram part number kits available. Or a different lever geometry to move the piston more, in both cases negating the caliper piston surface area advantage. If the weight does concern you, then look to replace the tyres first, and wheels down the track. Sram's advantage ultimately comes down to being a one-stop-shop for braking, drive train, suspension, and accessory needs. The only departures are seen at the generic 160mm brake rotors and Shimano non-series but 105-level crank, likely done to increase the pedal stance width for the wide rubber clearance. It's a good reference in some cases. As leverage ratio increases, pad travel for lever movement decreases, but power goes up. The Ripmo is great at full-stop maneuvers. The new geometry makes it a quicker and more agile on climbs and descent.。 。 。 。 。
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